Comments on: we’ll make great pets http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/ Hope Springs Eternal, But Fate Will Always Piddle On Your Shoe. Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:57:14 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: tjwriter http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-458 tjwriter Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:45:53 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-458 I'm glad we clarified what day it is. ;) I think SoccerMom would enjoy it as much as I would. I’m glad we clarified what day it is. ;)

I think SoccerMom would enjoy it as much as I would.

]]> By: mymidnightmuse http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-457 mymidnightmuse Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:32:54 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-457 It's Wednesday. But - as I'm home today waiting for the repair man, I could maybe . . . It’s Wednesday. But – as I’m home today waiting for the repair man, I could maybe . . .

]]> By: tjwriter http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-456 tjwriter Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:31:48 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-456 Is it Friday yet? I finally caught up all my reading and I want to read more. Is it Friday yet? I finally caught up all my reading and I want to read more.

]]> By: jeremy http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-455 jeremy Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:06:07 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-455 Cool. If that's the case, and if someone's going to go back into the past, in the future, then isn't it possible that someone from the future already DID go back into the past? And if so, they created two timelines.. in which case, future people from each of those timelines also went back into the past, and created two timelines of each of those timelines. Is it a viscous cycle? Are there already "infinite" timelines, one for each possible outcome of every decision ever made by anyone or anything? :/ I don't know. I don't know anything about quantum physics other than that my brain isn't big enough. Cool.

If that’s the case, and if someone’s going to go back into the past, in the future, then isn’t it possible that someone from the future already DID go back into the past?

And if so, they created two timelines.. in which case, future people from each of those timelines also went back into the past, and created two timelines of each of those timelines.

Is it a viscous cycle? Are there already “infinite” timelines, one for each possible outcome of every decision ever made by anyone or anything?

:/

I don’t know. I don’t know anything about quantum physics other than that my brain isn’t big enough.

]]> By: Shadow Ferret http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-454 Shadow Ferret Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:34:18 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-454 Not necessarily. I think that's an add-on. Meaning, first we'd learn how to travel in time. Then we screw things up and learn that we've created these altnerate realities. Then we have to build machines that not only travel in time, but travel into other dimensions, and also predict newly created dimensions. The whole thing is interesting. You start with one past, one present, and one future. You travel back in time and change something. Now you have two presents and two futures. You travel back into the past to try to fix what you changed and now you have 3 presents and 3 futures, the original future, the first branch of the future, then another branch where you tried to fix the first branch. Fun! Then if you go back FURTHER into the past and create a new branch, you then have six new futures, right? Each branch would have all the broken streams contained in it. Not necessarily. I think that’s an add-on. Meaning, first we’d learn how to travel in time. Then we screw things up and learn that we’ve created these altnerate realities. Then we have to build machines that not only travel in time, but travel into other dimensions, and also predict newly created dimensions.

The whole thing is interesting. You start with one past, one present, and one future.

You travel back in time and change something. Now you have two presents and two futures. You travel back into the past to try to fix what you changed and now you have 3 presents and 3 futures, the original future, the first branch of the future, then another branch where you tried to fix the first branch.

Fun! Then if you go back FURTHER into the past and create a new branch, you then have six new futures, right? Each branch would have all the broken streams contained in it.

]]> By: jeremy http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-452 jeremy Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:44:04 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-452 If we have the technology to travel forward and backward in time, isn't it then also safe to assume that the technology exists to travel "side to side" through alternate dimensions? :) If we have the technology to travel forward and backward in time, isn’t it then also safe to assume that the technology exists to travel “side to side” through alternate dimensions?

:)

]]> By: Shadow Ferret http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-451 Shadow Ferret Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:07:28 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-451 How come you have all these email conversations and such with everyone but me? You hate me. Anyway, in my mind, I would think the instant that pissing teddybear appeared in our time, it would cause a splinter effect, stranding Fred in an alternate future that Barney will never be able to get to to save him. UNLESS, Barney immediately enters the time machine withe the pissing teddy bear and there is no interaction whatsoever with our time. Then, as you said, only Barney would know, and Fred, but they'd be able to go forward and back into that same time stream. However, what if said pissing teddy bear has a cold? Or carries bacteria from the future. The moment Barney opens that door, all those germs, bacteria, and viruses are emitted into our air, effecting our present and thus splintering the future so that even if Barney immediately enters the time machine, it will be too late. Future bugs will have infected our present and altered time irreparably. How come you have all these email conversations and such with everyone but me?

You hate me.

Anyway, in my mind, I would think the instant that pissing teddybear appeared in our time, it would cause a splinter effect, stranding Fred in an alternate future that Barney will never be able to get to to save him.

UNLESS, Barney immediately enters the time machine withe the pissing teddy bear and there is no interaction whatsoever with our time. Then, as you said, only Barney would know, and Fred, but they’d be able to go forward and back into that same time stream.

However, what if said pissing teddy bear has a cold? Or carries bacteria from the future. The moment Barney opens that door, all those germs, bacteria, and viruses are emitted into our air, effecting our present and thus splintering the future so that even if Barney immediately enters the time machine, it will be too late.

Future bugs will have infected our present and altered time irreparably.

]]> By: Pete Tzinski http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-450 Pete Tzinski Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:07:37 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-450 No, it would reach Fred. Because the Fred who got stranded is from the same conduit as Barney and the pissing teddy bear and the time machine. It changes the course of history because now Barney and Fred and the others have prior knowledge of the pissing teddy bear (I never get sick of typing "pissing teddy bear") but the future that is altered is still within the same timeline as the Fred who's stuck in the future. If you suppose that the creature remains in our time and alters things, or that the creature never comes back to our time, or things like that, then that's a new splinter reality that's forming, a new split in the conduits. ... Here is what I said in an e-mail to Kristine earlier today, which is where this is coming from. It was part of a much longer and more complex conversation on quantum theory which, frankly, Kristine should just post the whole lot of. ... <i> The situation in which a man in the future wanders into the past and is then brought back into the future is acceptible and the future would continue properly. This is because everything present there is forward motion except for the initial accident of him wandering into the past (and there, the only damage would be caused by how much he interacts in the past). If he is careful not to reveal any details about the future, then all Barney knows is that time travel is possible. ANd he already knew that when Fred took off in the time machine. So: Barney returns the man to the future, picks up Fred, and they return to the past. No damage is done. The only damage is what Fred learned in the future that alters the present, but that would have happened no matter what. At least, that's how it sits in my head.</i> ... Here are two links that might be of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology Brane theory is the conduit stuff I was talking about a minute ago. No, it would reach Fred. Because the Fred who got stranded is from the same conduit as Barney and the pissing teddy bear and the time machine. It changes the course of history because now Barney and Fred and the others have prior knowledge of the pissing teddy bear (I never get sick of typing “pissing teddy bear”) but the future that is altered is still within the same timeline as the Fred who’s stuck in the future.

If you suppose that the creature remains in our time and alters things, or that the creature never comes back to our time, or things like that, then that’s a new splinter reality that’s forming, a new split in the conduits.

…

Here is what I said in an e-mail to Kristine earlier today, which is where this is coming from. It was part of a much longer and more complex conversation on quantum theory which, frankly, Kristine should just post the whole lot of.

…

The situation in which a man in the future wanders into the past and is then brought back into the future is acceptible and the future would continue properly. This is because everything present there is forward motion except for the initial accident of him wandering into the past (and there, the only damage would be caused by how much he interacts in the past). If he is careful not to reveal any details about the future, then all Barney knows is that time travel is possible. ANd he already knew that when Fred took off in the time machine.

So: Barney returns the man to the future, picks up Fred, and they return to the past. No damage is done. The only damage is what Fred learned in the future that alters the present, but that would have happened no matter what.

At least, that’s how it sits in my head.

…

Here are two links that might be of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology

Brane theory is the conduit stuff I was talking about a minute ago.

]]> By: Shadow Ferret http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-449 Shadow Ferret Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:58:46 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-449 OK, so basically you've just taken the reverse of our previous discussion, instead of us going into the past and effecting that future (our present) and leaving us stranded in a different future branch; and now you are sending people from the future to our time which then creates several new future branches leaving the traveler stranded. Or something like that. OK. Fred is trapped in our original future. Nothing that the teddy bear does in our time will effect his branch of time. But how does he get back? If we send the time machine forward from our time, which has now been corrupted by teddy bears, the time machine will only go forward in THAT time stream. It will never reach Fred. Fred is trapped and can never return unless he manages to build a new machine and return to the moment he departed and the teddy bear returned. OK, so basically you’ve just taken the reverse of our previous discussion, instead of us going into the past and effecting that future (our present) and leaving us stranded in a different future branch; and now you are sending people from the future to our time which then creates several new future branches leaving the traveler stranded. Or something like that.

OK. Fred is trapped in our original future. Nothing that the teddy bear does in our time will effect his branch of time. But how does he get back? If we send the time machine forward from our time, which has now been corrupted by teddy bears, the time machine will only go forward in THAT time stream. It will never reach Fred. Fred is trapped and can never return unless he manages to build a new machine and return to the moment he departed and the teddy bear returned.

]]> By: mymidnightmuse http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/well-make-great-pets/#comment-447 mymidnightmuse Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:29:26 +0000 http://mymidnightmuse.wordpress.com/?p=95#comment-447 Let me simplify it then - imagine instead of Fred, Barney et al and their time machine, there's a door left open. A door to the future 3 million years from today. Randomly, things wander through that door from the future, and affect our time. In doing so, they alter the future that created them so that it never happens, and some OTHER future takes its place. Now we have creatures from a future that can't happen stuck in our time and randome other creatures wandering through that open door from a completely different future, who end up doing the same thing. Let me simplify it then – imagine instead of Fred, Barney et al and their time machine, there’s a door left open. A door to the future 3 million years from today.

Randomly, things wander through that door from the future, and affect our time. In doing so, they alter the future that created them so that it never happens, and some OTHER future takes its place. Now we have creatures from a future that can’t happen stuck in our time and randome other creatures wandering through that open door from a completely different future, who end up doing the same thing.

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